FAITH VS SIN OF PRESUMPTION

 

IS IT FAITH OR IS IT A SIN OF PRESUMPTION?

1250 words                                                                                         – Mary A. LaClair

A church deviating from the Word of God on important issues, issues which bring too much of the world into the church, I feel, has no right to presume upon God and call it faith.

Asking a Pastor if some churches weren’t guilty of the sin of presumption, I thought he hedged, and I did not get what I thought was an adequate answer.

So, I was surprised when, early one morning, while in the state of waking, a statement regarding presumption unconsciously dropped into my mind,

“Presumption puts oneself in the place of God.”

Hmmm…Scripture exhorts us to test the spirits to see if they are of God….therefore;

  • time to contemplate, then after contemplating, time to check other documentation.

From my contemplation:

…to presume something will happen puts oneself in a position of God, expecting God to act on our thoughts.

…it could have an effect of making God our puppet.

…people go to the casino because they PRESUME they’re going to win. However, there is no basis for having FAITH they’re going to win.

…presumption and faith are not the same.

…arrogant confidence is nothing more than presumption

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From my research on the net:

…Faith is believing that things will turn out the way they are meant to be; presuming is believing things will happen the way you want them to happen

…To have FAITH is to believe that God will act on His word

Faith Is Knowing

Presumption, definition: 

  1. an idea that is taken to be true, and often used as the basis for other ideas, although it is not known for certain.
  2. behavior perceived as arrogant, disrespectful, and transgressing the limits of what is permitted or appropriate.
  3. the act of believing that something is true without having any proof –  from Google   although #3 on its own could also describe faith – presumption includes the prior two

 

Does the Bible mention the sin of presumption?  Maybe not in those exact words, however it DOES give an example of the sin of presumption.

Deut 18:20

“But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.”

Saul was guilty of the sin of presumption when he would not wait for Samuel to make the sacrifice before going to battle.

Saul presumed that he could do the sacrifice. He assumed, or for this purpose, he presumed e could go through a red light because he was in a hurry, and couldn’t wait.

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After all he was doing the same thing that Samuel would have done, and Saul himself was the king.

What difference would it make, he reasoned, if he offered the sacrifice to God.

He presumed God would approve.

The kingdom was torn from Saul because of presumption on his part.

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1 Cor 10:9 :    “ Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents”. KJV

James 4:13 :

“Now listen, you who say, ‘Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money’, why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow.” NIV

 

From: www.wor.org/book/3725/faith-or-presumption:

“Here is the difference between faith and presumption. In genuine faith, it is God who initiates the desire for change, and we respond with obedience to what God has initiated. In presumption, it is we who initiate the desire for change, and we try to force our desire on God by one means or another.”      

 

From: http://www.adventistonline.com/forum/topics/presumption-vs-faith-what-is:

 “In contrast, presumption is setting our opinions of what God will do above what God has said He will do. Something that we are seeing far too much of in the church today.” — Ray Phillips

Let’s see what the book of Romans says in the Bible:

KJV:  “And be  not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”   Rom 12:2

Better, this is how the MESSAGE BIBLE puts it:

THE MESSAGE:  “So here’s what I want you to do, God helping you: Take your everyday, ordinary life – your sleeping, eating going to work, and walking around life—and place it before God as an offering. Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for Him. Don’t become so well adjusted to your culture that you fit into it without even thinking. Instead, fix your attention on God. You’ll be changed from the inside out. Readily recognize what He wants from you, and quickly respond to it. Unlike the culture around you, always dragging you down to its level of immaturity, God brings the best out of you, develops well-formed maturity in you.”  MSG Rom. 1:1-2   happy face

Op.cit.:

As respects professors of religion, one observes, they sin presumptuously

(1)   when they take up a profession of religion without principle;

(2)   when they profess to ask the blessing of God and yet go on in forbidden courses;

(3)   when they do not take religion as they find it in the Scriptures;

(4)   when they make their feelings the test of their religion, without considering the difference between animal passion and the operations of the Spirit of God;

(5)   when they run into temptation;

(6)   when they indulge in self-confidence and self-complacency;

(7)   when they bring the spirit of the world into the Church;

(8)   when they form apologies for that in some which they condemn in others;

(9)   when, professing to believe in the doctrines of the Gospel, they live licentiously;

(10) when they create, magnify, and pervert their troubles;

(11) when they arraign the conduct of God as unkind and unjust.

See Walker, Sermons, vol. 1, ser. 3; South, Sermons, vol. 7:ser. 10, 11, 12; Tillotson, Sermons, ser. 147; Saurin, Sermons, vol. 1, ser. II; Goodwin, On the Aggravations of Sin; Fuller, Works; Paley, Sermons; Bishop Hopkins, On the Nature, Danger, and Cure of Presumptuous Sins.

Is it any wonder many mainline churches approving and adopting ways of the world have failing attendances and many church buildings are being sold.

This at the same time evangelical churches are springing up in store fronts. God is looking for a church without spot or wrinkle.

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 Eph 5:27…and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.   NIV

So one may well ask: Is the church supposed to influence the world, or is the world to influence the church?  When the world influences the church, isn’t this the violation of separation of church and state in REVERSE?

God can’t clean up the world until He first cleans up His own church.

cleaning self

 

1 Peter 4:17

17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the scales unbaanced coloroutcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?”    NIV

 

 

 

  Perhaps in a next article we should think about how salt loses its savor….  Selah

Let us pray:

adapted from Ps 51:10-13

Create in us clean hearts, O God; and renew a right spirit within your churches. Cast us not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from us. Restore unto us the joy of thy salvation; and uphold u with thy free spirit. Then will we teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. 

For further talk on when presumption is a sin:

www.insearchoftruth.org/articles/sin_of_presumption

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SOMETIMES GOD SPEAKS TO US IN THE SIMPLEST OF THINGS

SOMETIMES GOD SPEAKS TO US IN THE SIMPLEST OF THINGS

By — Ruth Anderson

( It is with great pleasure that Ruth Anderson has granted permission to have this article posted here. Ruth is a teacher, has long been active on church ministerial teams and church leadership. I appreciate being able to share her wisdom with you, my readers. )

I attended an event this past Sunday. In my heart of hearts I really believed that there would be a move of God on that day. I reached out to churches and groups and church leaders and those with giftings and abilities to attend the event with me. I was hurt and bewildered why some with a calling on their life couldn’t see the potential in this opportunity to reach thousands of people and hundreds of children. Church leaders and evangelists and Prophets all told me this was for me. I didn’t understand at the time.

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At the event there was a bear, a living breathing creation of God. The Game Commission had trapped it. This bear, when it was brought out of the trap had a problem. It had mange. Now mange is a little mite that gets on the bear and causes the bear some problems. For this bear the little mite had caused it to lose hair on the bear’s face and shoulder. It also caused the bear to be underweight for its age. Because of the mite the Game Commission would not let anyone touch the bear so that this mite would not spread to people.

As I look back on that day, I am reflecting on what I learned. I believe it was a day that the Holy Spirit would have something to say. Perhaps He did and I was there to get the message.

As I looked on the bear, God’s creation, it brought tears to my eyes. To look at one of the creatures the Lord put here on the earth.  As I looked at the body of the bear, I could see its claws, I could see its shape, itsbear cub fur, its eyes, since it was sedated I was unable to see its strength but I know a bear can be powerful. Yet I could see the effects of the mange, how one little thing could affect the whole bear and since the bears own body was fighting against the little mite, the appearance of the bear showed the battle.

As I think about the body of the bear I reflect on the body of Christ, the church. Are we as strong as we could be? Are we as full grown as we ought to be? Are we as powerful as we should be? What battles are we fighting? Are we fighting the things that are in us and on us that are preventing us from growing into the powerful body the Lord has called us to be?

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Reflect on this a little and consider what the Lord might speak to you through this.

 

A PASTOR’S REPLY – name withheld

Ruth , 

the truth will not set us free?  it is the truth that we know , Jesus said the truth you know shall set you free . Until you know truth, that truth cannot set you free. Below are just three examples of that truth. 

 

Regarding the bear , it is symbolic of the church. See the church has been shot with a dart from the devil, just like the tranquilizer. Why was the bear shot ? Because he was sick.          

 bear cub                                                                            

THE CHURCH TODAY IS SICK. It HAS LET, PERMITTED, THE LIES, AND FALSE TEACHINGS TO CREEP IN AND GIVE GROUND TO THE ENEMY. 

 

THE CHURCH ” SHOULD BE ” big like bear, strong, bold, and beautiful……………………… now it has let a little leaven, leaven the whole lump………………..the leaven of the Pharisees has crept in, little by little lie after lie…………………. How can we have 3 full days and 3 full nights from Friday evening till before sunrise Sunday? WE CAN NOT .

          bear big strong

  why do people accept lies , strain at gnats, while swallowing camel loads of sin. that bear is symbolic of the state of the church today , it needs to be healed , arise in its strength, and prepare for what is about to happen.  Why were there so few that supported the event? that is the issue with the church today. They just want to support themselves, i , me , and mine.  ME my four and no more!  they will say they want to support others, but all the while they just want to steal from other ministries…………….. or because of the fear of someone stealing theirs they do not support others. The church like the bear is sick right now and needs a great awakening.

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thanks for thinking of me, I hope this helps ……………. this is what came to me exactly as I read it from you !                          

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 Post Script;  by Ruth Anderson:

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Kingdom v. Kingdom

Thank you Jeris for a well thought out article. I pass this along to my readers, that they may be encouraged and uplifted in these troubling times. May their faith and hope, along with ours, be renewed in the Power of God. Thank you for opening OUR eyes to these truths, so aptly gleaned by you from the Word of God! Thank you! Blessings to you and to all who will take time to read your gleanings…

Southern Grace

[This is the thirteenth post about the Blessed Hope–the return of Jesus Christ (Wars and Rumors of Wars)]

Many Christians are aware of the prophecy that Jesus gave to his disciples concerning the last days. His prophecy includes these words: “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom . . . ” (Matthew 24:7, kjv).

pexels-photo-189528.jpegIn the last decades, we’ve been exposed to many wars. So many that we’ve almost become numb to this passage of Scripture. We shake our heads, feeling powerless in the face of ongoing conflict.

But could this verse have another layer of meaning we have missed? I’ve often wondered why the passage seems to repeat itself. Wouldn’t it have meant the same thing if only “nation against nation” had been written? Why the additional words about “kingdom against kingdom”?

Could it be that the kingdoms that are mentioned refer to conflict in the…

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IS GOD OBLIGATED?

    Is God Obligated to Answer ALL of Our Prayers?

                                                                                                 —   Mary A. LaClair

        God

2 Chron 7:14-15

14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.  RSV          (emphasis mine)

praying hands lady                       praying hands man

 

 

Because our land needs healing, let’s unpack this often quoted verse to its fullest.  This verse is often heard with emphasis on the words “pray”.  But that is not all this verse is saying. Not to be overlooked or diminished, which I think is happening, is the equally important phrase, “and turn from their wicked ways”.

How many times have we heard that part emphasized recently?  The emphasis has been mostly on the word “pray”.

What happens if we do in fact pray, but do not in fact turn from our wicked ways?

Is God obligated to fulfill His part of the bargain …….if we do not meet or fulfill the ‘and’ words?

pray …AND seek… AND turn ….They are verbs – action words, if you will.

Who needs to take these actions? We need to know to whom this is addressed.  Is it addressed to all people in general? Is it to God’s people?  Who are God’s people?  It tells us who they are. The ones ‘called by His Name’. The ones claiming to be ‘Christian’.

Can you see that we are the ones who carry the power to get our land healed?  Wow!  What power with God!

Why, then, is our land not being healed faster than it is?

We can pray, but unconfessed sin is a hindrance to our being heard. Three translations put the same verse this way:

Ps 66:18

18 If I had ignored my sins,

the Lord would not have listened to me. TEV

   

Ps 66:18-19

8 He would not have listened if I had not confessed my sins. 19 But he listened! He heard my prayer! He paid attention to it!  TLB

Ps 66:18

18 If I had cherished sin in my heart,

the Lord would not have listened;  NIV

 

This seems to deal with thoughts.

Ps 139:23-24

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;

test me and know my anxious thoughts.

24 See if there is any offensive way in me,

and lead me in the way everlasting.   NIV

 

Jer 23:24

24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? says the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? says the Lord.    AMP

 

Do church leaders need to strain at gnats and swallow camels ?

gnat 2                                         camel 1

No. I believe there are large camels of sin in our churches.  Where does one start?  Well, because of all the sexual harassment claims, let’s start with lust. It is big in the world today and has even crossed lines into the churches. Several high profile pastors have admitted they have been delivered from pornography, many more probably have not; and it is not limited to pastors. Anyone who wants answers to prayers needs to consider themselves. Getting pornography removed from the internet would go a long way to curbing these sins in the Nation and in the church. In view of much sexual misconduct in Congress ; and in view of disrespect for human life via numerous mass murders, whether by vehicle, bombs, guns, or infanticide (abortion at birth),  now would be a good time to express the need to respect life. I suggest this may be done by re-criminalizing BOTH porn AND abortion.  We did not have these problems when those laws were in effect.

Now may be the time to cite some causes for these national problems and correct them:  lack of respect for women and for human life . These are problems for which this Nation should find solutions, and as Christians we should be able to offer them those solutions, but not just for benefit of the church, for the benefit of our government and our country. In solving their problems we might just also be solving our own.

Teaching proper respect for ourselves and for the opposite sex would go a long way, but the Lord says the action itself needs to start with us.

God can’t clean up the world until He first cleans up His church. There are secret sins and not-so-secret-sins hidden within the church.

clean world            cleaning house

According to the opening Scripture, which holds a promise: We need to get rid of these sins in God’s people if our prayers are to be answered. Will it start with you and me?  If it does, maybe then God can clean up the world a little faster. And God knows we need it.  Our prayers won’t get ready answers until we first clean up the church. We can’t expect the world to be cleaner than the church.

 

1 Peter 3:7

7 Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.  NIV

 

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WORK ON THE SOLUTION !   ……..

 Ps 19:12-14

12 Who can discern his errors?

Forgive my hidden faults.

13 Keep your servant also from willful sins;

may they not rule over me.

Then will I be blameless,

innocent of great transgression.

14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart

be pleasing in your sight,

O Lord , my Rock and my Redeemer. NIV

 

Pastors:

 

Encourage your flock to ask God to reveal to each individual any unconfessed and unknown sins which may be hindering their prayers. We should encourage repentance of sins while avoiding condemnation or even public confession. Blanket forgiveness of active sins without repentance is not God’s way. Jesus preached repentance. God can identify sin in those who ask, without producing excessive guilt.  Repentance still needs to be preached today. Jesus is able to identify sin and convict individuals without condemnation.  Let Him do it —  but do encourage God’s lambs and sheep to seek God’s help in identifying their sin. Then, when you have cleansed yourself, pray for others to find the same courage of self examination and repentance.

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cleaning selfRom 8:13-14

but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.  NIV

Blessings upon all!

One final word:

 

Phil 2:13

13 For God is at work within you, helping you want to obey him, and then helping you do what he wants. TLB

Is God in you?  Pray the sinners prayer, admit sin, ask for His help, ask Jesus into your heart then seek His Holy Spirit more fully.

“Lord Jesus, I admit I’m a sinner, I need your forgiveness, please include my sins with those sins for which you died. Come into my life, help me to be all that you want me to be, come into my heart and let my spirit be born again into Your Holy Spirit, put my feet on the straight path and always guide me in thought word and deed. Thank you Jesus.”

 

If you prayed that prayer with sincerity, you may now claim the Scripture:

 

Phil 2:13 13 For God is at work within you, helping you want to obey him, and then helping you do what he wants. TLB

What do you say Pastors:  will you preach self-examination and repentance to our church families?

Individuals:  are we ready to seek God’s help in this?

God’s blessings be upon us as we work through things with Jesus!

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GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM

GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM    –Mary A. LaClair

Ever hear of the saying, “If it ‘ain’t broke, don’t fix it”?

Remember when our schools were a safe place and were NOT broken?

In case some can’t remember, it was when prayer and the Ten Commandments were present daily in our schools.

There is nothing wrong with having THOU SHALT NOT MURDER posted in our classrooms.

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If they were there when the young perpetrator attended school, perhaps things would have been different.

There is nothing wrong with asking God’s protection “upon us, our teachers, our parents and our Nation”

Then, someone purported to ‘be offended’.  Others purported to be ‘holier than thou’ by not offending – and removed God.

They ‘fixed’ what wasn’t broke, by taking prayer and the Ten Commandments out of the schools,  and now it is broken.  Yet, many wonder why.

Removing something leaves a space to be filled with something else. And that has happened. It is time to ‘reclaim’ our schools for God.

It Went From This shephard                             To Thisdevil 2 gamble

We Need To Go Back To This    Jesus on water

 

GOD is a Supreme Being – Creator of all things.  He is not owned by a denomination.  The prayer was objected to on the grounds of ‘separation of Church and State’.

Humbug…. In case it isn’t easy to notice:  God is NOT a CHURCH.  See if you see church or denomination in this, the prayer which was removed:

“Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our Country.“

GOD is the Supreme Being, Creator of all things, as such, we do ourselves and our school children a favor by acknowledging God as the Supreme Being and asking His blessing and asking His protection.

It is no longer speculation. The proof is in.  The choice is obvious.

God

Jer 6:16      scrollshepherd 2

16 This is what the Lord  says:

“Stand at the crossroads and look;

ask for the ancient paths,

ask where the good way is, and walk in it,         

and you will find rest for your souls.

But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’   NIV

Let US, in the USA, indeed walk in it… and let others who want to be here fully assimilate and accept;  otherwise they are not welcome here.

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America, it seems, has jumped out of the Lord’s arms; it is time for us to return to His loving care.

If you have a moment you may wish to take the time to click on these links, or read the additional article below: “The Devil Smiled.” by Todd Starnes

http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/

http://superstore.wnd.com/Hearts-of-the-Fathers-Leaving-a-Legacy-that-Lasts-Hardcover

http://www.wnd.com/2005/05/30312/   How Judge Not Is Destroying America

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Franklin Graham Sets MSNBC Straight

MSNBC asks Rev. Dr. Franklin Graham if Trump has a sin problem; and Graham brings up Obama.  The question starts at about 5:11 in the ten minute concise daring video. Graham puts MSNBC straight on the issue…  give a listen

https://conservativetribune.com/msnbc-asks-graham-about-trump/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=CTBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=2018-01-25

Jesus Calls People Some Not Very Nice Things…As Does Trump

Both Jesus and Trump call people some not very nice things: Trump is in good company metaphorically.        

– by Mary A. LaClair

We hear much worse in our daily lives than we’ve heard this week from Trump.  (1/10/18)  Trump is human.  Do we reject Jesus because He called religious leaders ‘broods of snakes’ and even ‘fools’, NO ! Because Jesus was right in doing so, and because He has too much else to offer.  So does Trump !    You should not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

baby bath       bath empty

 

Jesus also said:  beware those who strain at gnats and swallow camels !

gnat1     camel 1gnat 2

 

Who would be so self-righteous so as to say they don’t use derogatory speech when they deem it necessary to emphasize a point? He made his point – the leaders of poor countries who don’t, and won’t, take care of their own as they live in luxury, are indeed ‘brood of snakes’ …or worse.  I stand with Trump.

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees “fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes. He called men dogs and pigs, and children of the devil (John 8:44), men full of dead men’s bones.

Matt 7:6

6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. NIV

 

Jesus called people dogs pigs 001

 

Luke 13:31-32

jackal31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”  32 He replied, “Go tell that fox,…NIV

 

 

 

 Matthew 15:26  “it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” 

Trump knows  that  this fits America.

God does not love everyone unconditionally, and neither should we, and neither should Trump!

God has a special love for the redeemed which does not apply in its fullness to the unregenerate.  God detests the wicked and Heaven is not promised to them.  Let us not lose sight of that.  Are the leaders of poor countries wicked when they keep their people poor and do not run their countries properly, to the betterment of their own citizens?  I think so, and apparently Trump thinks so.  God is angry every day against the wicked, and justly so.  Do I mind if Trump uses everyday vernacular to describe those whom he thinks ‘wicked’, no, I do not mind at all. He sees something too many others are too willing to ignore.  There is a wrath of God, and there is a wrath of Trump; Trump’s wrath is nothing compared to God’s wrath. Let us not lose track of that.

Do we reject Jesus because He called religious leaders vipers, dogs and bad fruit, NO ! Because Jesus was right in doing so, and because He has too much else to offer.  So does Trump !

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